ghudson: what OS did you compile the tarball on?
Red Hat 9.
me too, hm.
* sussman wishes he were still using freebsd, for diversity's sake
* fitz wishes sussman were a chocolate cake
mmmm... cake...
#svn
ghudson: what OS did you compile the tarball on?
Red Hat 9.
me too, hm.
* sussman wishes he were still using freebsd, for diversity's sake
* fitz wishes sussman were a chocolate cake
mmmm... cake...
#svn
Talking about commit souds...
weird, mine and jack's come out way too fast with this
player... but the others all work fine.
and after hearing them all, i have two thinigs to say: first,
it must be really amusing hearing that stuff randomly throughout
the day in the office, and two, cmike spent far too long on his
;-)
rooneg: yours and jack's got corrupted
cmpilato goofed when converting from mp3 to ogg
he's gonna fix it, tho
cool
* rooneg considers filing a critical issue about the problem ;-)
heh
obviously this will block any 1.0 release
indeed.
#svn
sussman: have your wife and you decided what your newborn is going
to be called?
"Baby Sussman"
Sussbaby
Sussman 2.0
minisuss
Suss SFF
5|_|55m/-\n
Sussman baby edition
Ben Mini?
Will he have a last name of Collins-Sussman as well, or just
Sussman?
rindolf: he may have a completely different last name! Why limit
the selection so? ;)
heh
no names yet
yes, twill be collins-sussman
Collman or Susslis.
Baby talk at FreeNode's #svn, the Subversion Channel.
ayita: kfogel interview is
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/27/1555228
Thanks!
ayita: good girl.
ayita: kfogel interview?
ayita: kfogel interview?
* Dave` smells ayita timing out
ayita: index kfogel.*
you killed her it seems
darix: LOL
It's not nice to hurt people
Oh my god, they killed ayita!
hiiiiiiiiiidey ho!
* rindolf quickly finds someone else to blame.
a scape-goat!
sussman: you'll be the ideal scape-goat for the murder of ayita.
I think you'de be good at the 'werewolf' game
"You know it would be the easiest thing to blame it on Nanny."
"Let's do it then."
-- "Who killed ayita?" on Freenode #svn, The Subversion Channel.
Success!!!
I discovered another copy-and-paste-bug and now everything is
working. In Perl.
Problem between the keyboard and the chair.
The most common sort
_My_ keyboard and chair.
I stand by my statement *grin*
That's the problem with starting from a code that does things
differently, and does more.
It's a good thing I wrote this test case.
-- Freenode #svn - The Subversion channel.
Hmmmppf... sussman is not here?
What is #svn without sussman?
It's like a cat without a mustache!
:-)
heh
maybe we need a stand-in-sussman..!
dionisos: a sussman-bot
yea. working on *that* though...
dionisos is now known as sussman-temp
sussman (~sussman@piggy.red-bean.com) has joined #svn
ChanServ gives channel operator status to sussman
sussman-temp: oops!
sussman-temp is now known as dionisos
hi sussman
A not-so-typical day at #svn.
ayita: learn ayita=ayita?
I'll try to remember 'ayita?' about 'ayita'.
ayita?
ayita?
no infinite loop, unfortunately.
lol :-)
subversion?
subversion is a Next-Generation Open Source Version Control
System (with a space at the beginning)
sander tried her to get to leave when she first came in :-)
giving here some \n string
ayita: learn subversion=subversion is a Next-Generation Open
Source Version Control System
rindolf: you're not authorised to tell me that.
* rindolf kills dionisos
Bot playing at #svn - the Subversion Channel.
* rindolf feels a desire for mayhem and murder of the Subversion
developers
rindolf: don't do this!
we still need them
darix: heh heh right.
Of course, I am a Subversion developer, too.
* darix gives rindolf a sword
do harakiri then ... that keeps us enough other devs ;p
and you killed at least one of them ;)
* rindolf feels a desire for mayhem and murder of darix
* rindolf takes darix' sword and uses it to stab darix
YAY!
#svn - The Subversion Channel.
sussman: I get a " " instead of "!"
!!
for the parent directory?
* sussman banishes libsvn_wc into the underworld
A typical day on #svn, the Subversion channel
oooooooooooooooooooooh noooooooooooooo
darix: what's wrong?
What's wrooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
rindolf: sussman is gone.
I can speak whale.
Caaaaaaaaaan yoooooooouuuuuuu speaaaaaaaakkkkkkkk
whaaaaaaaaaaaale?
ha ha
#svn's tribute to "Finding Nemo"
you need to use gdb in a real IDE, like emacs, or ddd.
something that shows a pointer moving down your code.
sussman: IDEs are for wimps... ;-)
Seriously, sometimes invoking gdb is very quick and I'm
accustomed to it.
ddd is quite on the heavy side.
"Programming happens in the mind, not in the IDE"
--- Gil'ad Ben-Yossef
So does debugging.
sure.
why would you possibly want to see all your code at once?
it's much easier to see single lines printed out and try
to remember what the function looks like. :-)
ed, anyone? ;-)
"I wanna use ex and I wanna use vee (=vi). Ed is dead, ed is dead,
baby!"
"Ed is for people who can *remember* what they're working on."
* jackr remembers when he could remember what he was working on.
Sometimes.
#svn - The Subversion Channel.
rindolf: CIA watches much more than just Subversion. Google
on it (uh, include the word "commit" too I guess), the details
are quite interesting.
it's currently watching kfogel's houseplants
rindolf: If you don't know Fitz, you'll probably assume he's
joking.
go into #commits
you can see all the CIA commits for different opensource
projects
...which is to say, all the commits.
muwah-ha-hah-hah-haaaaah
* fitz hides
#svn
rollin rollin rollin
keep that tarball rollin
o/~ roll roll roll the ball o/~
o/~ gently down the stream o/~
roll the plasma ball?
* plasmabal roll~~~
#svn while releasing svn 0.34
Is gstein the person to blame for the anti-Perl FUD on
http://viewcvs.sf.net/?
yes.
likely.
. . .
Subversion used to be this amazing nest of anti-perl people.
That's calmed down a bit... largely because Greg Stein has been
distracted. :)
I personally am a Perl guy who despises Python, but can still
tolerate the Subversion tests because they are actually shell
scripts in disguise.
* jackr thinks there are other Python-loving Perl haters around
Python vs. Perl on #svn
sussman: for the record, I think the build system is the ultimate
proof that python code can be as bad as Perl one.
* clkao giggles
hehe
* rindolf hopes he's not starting a flamewar
btw, freebsd svn port maintainer was complaining about unable to
do --with-swig specifying only perl or pythong bindings to build..
* cmpilato notes that the topic of this channel is Subversion.
(so he refused to include the option for building either bindings
in the port!)
I once saw a perl5 code written in perl4 style. Now that was
hideous.
complicated != bad
"Building is complicated--that's why build systems are
complicated." --kfogel
Discussing the Subversion Build System in #svn.
sussman's been idle for 15 minutes.
And I need to talk to him.
sussman, oh sussman! Where art thou, sussman?
Or is it "wherefore"?
The shakespearian version is "wherefore", IIRC
Where have all the sussmans gone? (Long time passing)
Where have all the sussmans gone? (Long time ago)
Where have all the sussmans gone? They've been idle, everyone.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Looking for sussman, at #svn, the Subversion Channel.
* rindolf is compiling the Mozilla 1.6 RPM now
* dsp whispers, "Firebird"
* sussman whispers, "Galeon"
* theoddbot whispers "Safari"
Ah, Linux. Have it Your Way.
* rindolf wonders why so many people are whispering
shhhhh!
* rindolf shouts "Stop the whispering insanity!"
* theoddbot whispers "Whats up with that rindolf guy ?"
* sussman says, "when did we all get trapped in a MUD"?
A typical day at #svn (the Subversion channel)
Oh! Subversion, Subversion! If only you were Arch!
* sussman hands svk to rindolf
* rindolf whispers "Or BitKeeper!" and runs.
#svn - The Subversion Channel.
sussman committed revision 6517: A minimal C client app, for
demonstration purposes. Now we can point
* sussman pets CIA again
* rindolf pets sussman again
eep
#svn
How can I best install Subversion on a Debian Stable system?
rindolf: Presumably with apt.
breser: subversion is not present in Debian Stable, and
installing it from testing or unstable may require upgrading
half if not more of the system.
And I know what apt is.
* rindolf kicks breser so he won't give obvious but useless
answers like Microsoft support persons.
* breser kicks rindolf so he won't ask vague questions that
result in obvious but useless responses when he already
knows the obvious but usless response is the obvious
response to give.
* rindolf kicks breser for no reason at all.
Physical violence at #svn - The Subversion Channel.
ghudson: there was a three hour difference, so people would have
noticed the warnings
but yes, that's the only dfiference
i.e., you could theoretically test with the current test tarball
Yeah, not important for my purposes, is what I meant.
* kfogel is super paranoid and prefers testing of the real
tarball, but has retained just enough sanity to know that this
is paranoia...
"Why, what could *possibly* go wrong?"
* fitz watches kfogel's hair spontaneously combust
arrrrgh
kfogel committed revision 7737: * CHANGES: Mention APR req
upgrade for 0.33.
* rooneg wonders how kfogel will deal with having burning hair...
#svn
What should I do now? Use printf's?
Talking about retro.
no. write an info-bot.
a gdb info-bot?
sure.
#svn - The Subversion Channel.
clkao: I have a 1.25Tb CVS repo that I'm afraid they'll ask me
to convert
fear!
... and loathing!
you must! since you're @collab
heh
indeed.
It would probably go into several SVN repos (there are no
boundaries inside CVS, so it's not necessarily 1::1). But
individual pieces are often much bigger than 10.5g
fear, indeed.
* sussman covers his eyes, ears, and mouth.
"there's no problem here"
#svn - the Subversion channel.
wow.
so 0.33 is gonna have way faster checkouts/updates in both
network layers.
that's fantastic.
how is this compared to http, svn-ssh and cvs: svn co floppy:// ?
Have anyome measured this?
floppy://?
hehehe
yes, the floppy network. -:)
#svn
bork bork bork
svn mv mbk "swedish chef"
ROFL
svn revert
#svn
sussman: people mock your name (= Ben Collins-Sussman) here:
http://tinyurl.com/5vl69
sussman: and it's the only comments I got regarding the interview
except for kfogel's
rindolf: I replied.
sussman: reloading
sussman: 220$ for a last name change? Holy virgin mother of god!
why?
sussman: but if you were Ben Collins, people would have confused you
with BenC. And no-one will understand who "sussman" is.
sussman: $220 is a lot of money, especially in Israel.
Horrible sexist discrimination, really. I had to pay $400 and
swear in front of a judge, to get my name changed.
My wife had to do nothing. She just showed her marriage license,
and instantly got a new ID.
sussman: another fortune cookie coming right up.
Discussing the beauties of men adopting their wife's maiden name on
#svn - The sussman^W Subversion channel.
sussman: don't say the BK-word...
dude, no one mentioned bk until you did
clkao: just like most of the decentralized SCMs, like
arch, bitkeeper, etc.
"We are the knights who say "BitKeeper"."
"We are NO LONGER the knights who say "BitKeeper". We are the
knights who say "git git git cogito Linus!".
danderson: "Subversion!". "Bleh, that's one word that the knights
who say "git git git cogito Linus!" cannot hear."
"What is your name?" "What is your quest?" "What is the
asymptotic complexity of the Subversion delta algorithm."
"Which one? vdelta or xdelta?"
what do you mean, xdelta or vdelta?
"I don't know!"
* rindolf falls into the chasm
"How come you know so much about delta algorithms? - Well, you
have to know these things when you're a commiter."
Freenode #svn's Quest for the Holy Grail
heh
sussman just filed a dup, sussman just filed a dup, sussman just fi
* epg points and laughs at sussman
everyone: point and laugh at sussman
* kfogel hears the raucous, hyena-like sound of #svn
laughing at sussman
* sussman crumbles
The Subversion developers acting like children on #svn
Hi all
sussman: here?
kfogel: here?
fitz: here?
Am I alone in the world?
Have everyone abandoned me?
Why doesn't anybody answer?
* rindolf starts to cry
here
* rindolf stops crying
* rindolf hugs sussman
* rindolf whispers to him "I'm so glad you're back"
#svn - The Subversion Channel.